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gervey
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May 28, 2010, 5:58 PM

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Hi everyone!

I'm new to this forum and from what I have read so far the help been given in this forum is excellent. I'm hoping that I'll be lucky enough to resolve my problem.

I stumble to this web site because I was looking for information on a Magnavox projection TV.
Not knowing what to expect in the internet I search PTV730/735/740/745 which is the component location of the Magnavox projection TV and here I'm .

The problems I have in this TV are as follow:
Halo around images, Blue color is almost not noticeable, color shift, and the picture is squeeze in on the sides of the TV.

From what I read in this forum I can see that one problem maybe contaminated coolant (which I have to verify) and the mist alignment of the colors but the one that I do not have any idea is the squeezing of the picture on the sides of the TV.
I'll appreciate any help and I thank you in advance.
Is for a good cause. The TV belong to an old couple that live next to my house.

dundee
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May 30, 2010, 3:43 AM

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gervey,
i am not expert. but my guess is it has to do something with projection thing. its not projecting rays in proper way.
a picture will help. coolant only makes the picture crisp and sorts our haze pic quality. may be the direction of the CRT bulb got aligned due to vibrant movement.

gervey
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May 30, 2010, 3:36 PM

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Thanks dundee for your response. maybe I didn't use better words to describe the picture. I should it said the picture bows in both sides of the screen. I was trying to find out if the convergence IC when they go bad besides introducing a 3 effect on the picture (color separation) will also produce bowing of the picture vertically and horizontally.
again thank for your comments and help

Ron.M
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May 30, 2010, 6:56 PM

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1st, dundee;....

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i am not expert. but my guess is it has to do something with projection thing.

Since you are admittedly not an expert , you really shouldn't be putting up "off the wall" theories as to what the problem is...
That would be like you , me or gervey doing brain surgery....
Short & sweet;=>...IF you can't "walk the walk" , do NOT "talk the talk".....

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coolant only makes the picture crisp and sorts our haze pic quality. may be the direction of the CRT bulb got aligned due to vibrant movement

Coolant does NOT "make" the pix crisp...
It keeps the face of the CRT "cool" so it doesn't overheat & crack causing dammage to the set while allowing transfer of the image thru the lens to the screen....
Hence the name "Coolant"....
Nuff said....Right ????

gervey;....

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Halo around images, Blue color is almost not noticeable, color shift, and the picture is squeeze in on the sides of the TV.

From what I'm reading here , I think you have more than one problem...

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From what I read in this forum I can see that one problem maybe contaminated coolant (which I have to verify)

Easy to do..... Smile

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and the mist alignment of the colors but the one that I do not have any idea is the squeezing of the picture on the sides of the TV.

Answer coming up..... Wink

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I was trying to find out if the convergence IC when they go bad besides introducing a 3 effect on the picture (color separation) will also produce bowing of the picture vertically and horizontally.

Answer...YES !!!!....

How much electronic/TV repair background experience do you have ????...

Later....Ron.M.... Cool

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Veteran & Retired TV technician

gervey
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May 30, 2010, 7:46 PM

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Mr Ron I have 25 years of experience in electronics but not repairing TV

gervey
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May 30, 2010, 8:10 PM

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the TV is Magnavox chassis #PTV735/AH01 . I maybe able to locate the STK IC but I know that there is more to check (Fuses, Resistor etc)

gervey
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May 30, 2010, 8:12 PM

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any help Mr Ron will be greatly appreciated

Ron.M
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May 30, 2010, 11:37 PM

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gervey....

A GOOD model number would be a big help .....
PTV730/735/740/745 covers a ton of models , each having variations of different parts....
Let's start with that...OK.... Wink

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BTW:=>.....
Can you take & post pix in case we/us/I need to see something ????..

THANKS..... Sly

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Later...Ron.M.... Cool

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(This post was edited by Ron.M on May 30, 2010, 11:38 PM)

gervey
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May 31, 2010, 3:01 AM

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I'll get the model # and I'll take some pic before I do anything else

Thank for your response

dusitntucker2
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Jun 1, 2010, 8:56 PM

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Hi i was just wondering if anyone could give me info on how to post a new forum as i am having problems with my projection tv.. thanks

jts1957
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Jun 2, 2010, 1:26 AM

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Upper right corner of any sub forum "Post New."

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gervey
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Jun 8, 2010, 1:22 AM

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Mr Ron.M

I got the model # 6P5430 W101. I also took a couple of pictures that showing the side bowing of the picture and the other picture shows the color separation. Could you tell me how can I send/post these pictures?

Thank

Ron.M
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Jun 8, 2010, 7:02 PM

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gervey;.....

On this forum (And others) for some reason you can not copy pix directly from your computer to post.... Unsure

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What I & I suspect others are doing is to upload the pix to:...

http://register.photobucket.com/step1

OR;...

http://imageshack.us/

And then copying & pasting the pix to the post....
Both are FREE & easy to use once you get the hang of it.... Wink

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If you need help with either site , post & I'll be happy to help you out....

Later...Ron.M.... Cool

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gervey
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Jun 8, 2010, 11:41 PM

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Mr Ron

I'll post the pictures there, and I thank you for your patience.

Ron.M
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Jun 9, 2010, 12:18 AM

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gervey;....

I'd apreciate it & so would the readers of this thread if you would post the pix HERE & NOT there!!!.... Smile

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NOT hard to do , & I can help you do it... Unimpressed

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Which one are you using ????....

Later....Ron.M.... Cool

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gervey
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Jun 9, 2010, 12:46 PM

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<span contenteditable="false"><table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 width="100%"><tr><td width="2%"><hr width="100%" noshade size="1" color="#A1A576"></td><td width="10%" align=center><font size=1 face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica">In Reply To</font></td><td width="87%"><hr width="100%" noshade color="#A1A576" size=1></td></tr></table></span><div style="margin-left: 30px">gervey;.... <br> <br>I'd apreciate it & so would the readers of this thread if you would post the pix <b>HERE</b> & <b>NOT</b> there!!!....<img src="http://www.tv-forums.com/images/smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0">... <br>NOT hard to do , & I can help you do it...<img src="http://www.tv-forums.com/images/unimpressed.gif" alt="Unimpressed" border="0">..... <br>Which one are you using ????.... <br> <br> <br>Later....Ron.M....<img src="http://www.tv-forums.com/images/cool.gif" alt="Cool" border="0">.....</div><span contenteditable="false"><table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 width="100%"><tr><td><hr width="100%" noshade size=1 color="#A1A576"></td></tr></table></span>

I'm going to use photobucket
and the link is http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad242/gervey/ColorSeparation.jpg
http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad242/gervey/SideBow.jpg ..

gervey
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Jun 9, 2010, 12:49 PM

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Having some problems... let see if this works
http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad242/gervey/SideBow.jpg

gervey
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Jun 9, 2010, 12:56 PM

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I guest it didn't ... the pictures are in photobucket ... how can I make them available so you can see them?

jts1957
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Jun 9, 2010, 5:13 PM

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If you're trying to post that as a link, the only thing you're missing is the "url" open/close button at the bottom right of this forum's edit box. Wink

url button - ctrl+paste - url button

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Ron.M
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Jun 9, 2010, 5:37 PM

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jts1957;.....

What I REALLY want this guy to do is POST PIX !!!!
NOT LINKS !!!!...
Pix are a lot easier for readers as you dont have to wait for a new window to open & load , etc , etc....

THANK you anyway for the GOOD info....

gervey;.....

Here is some info on how to use photobucket;=>....

Upload your pix....
When it's uploaded (Use jpg or jpeg format) , scroll down & click on "save"...
Then wait for the image to show up at "In this Album" & click on "Edit" that's on top left of the pix you uploaded....
That will then load into a new window...Wait for it....
After it's loaded , check to see if the size of the image is right for the forum.....
The size you see is what it may be on the forum...
If it's too small , click where the red arrow is.....
There will be some size adjustment sliders you can use to make the image larger or smaller...
The green/blue arrow is how you got this pix.....
Then you'll see "Replace Original"....
If you made any size changes click on "Replace Original"....
Then you'll get a screen that says your "default album" with the pix you uploaded....
Just right click your mouse over the pix & click on "copy".....
Then go to the forum reply post you are making & right click where you want the pix & click on "paste"....
See how easy that was ????.... Wink

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Double check how it looks by clicking on "Preview Post" at the bottom of the reply box....
Practice & experiment & you'll eventually get the hang of it....
Remember to ALWAYS "Preview Post" to see how it will look in the thread after you post it.....

If you still have problems , let me know exactly which step is giving you trouble....

ALSO;....
This "may" have been caused by clicking on "Switch to Basic Editor" before you posted this;=>....
(I edited most of the gibberish.)

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GOOD LUCK..... Sly

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Later....Ron.M..... Cool

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(This post was edited by Ron.M on Jun 9, 2010, 5:43 PM)

shelbydogg
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Jun 9, 2010, 6:24 PM

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Using Photobucket, you want to cut and past the IMG Code.

Then you'll get this;

or Works with GIF files too! to get this:

Rob

Ron.M
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Jun 9, 2010, 8:00 PM

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shelbydogg;......

Thanks for that GREAT info.... Wink

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But....(There's always a "but")....
I've discovered that when you use links from photobucket OR image & delete the pix at photobucket or image , the pix disappears from your post !!!!....
I believe (I could be wrong) that by copying & pasting , that little bug does not appear.....
I don't like a lot of clutter on my photobucket or image albums , so when I feel the image has outlived it's usefulness , I tend to delete them....
Let's experiment..... Wink

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The image below is what I got when I deleted an image...

Posted with copy & paste....(My method)

Now your method (IMG Code);....

I will leave these images alone till after the time says about 4~5 hours later than what it says in the avatar box....
Right now it says;....June,9,2010 9:00 PM
So it will read about June,10,2010 1:00 AM when I delete the image....
See ya then....I'll re-post at that time....
Then I will go back to photobucket & delete the image there & see what happens here....
Fun , ain't it ????.... Wink

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Later...Ron.M.... Cool

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(This post was edited by Ron.M on Jun 9, 2010, 8:04 PM)

gervey
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Jun 9, 2010, 8:00 PM

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Ok gentlemen, one little detail .... you should use Explorer as your browser .... it doesn't work with Mozilla FireFox browser....
anyway.... here are the pic

I hope they are enougth to show the problem. I opened the front of the TV and I look inside the CRTs and the blue and green are dirty not the red.... Now Iknow that I have to change the coolant but how do I dispose of the old coolant?

Ron.M
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Jun 9, 2010, 8:30 PM

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gervey;.....

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I hope they are enougth to show the problem.

NO they're NOT !!!!....You have a 54" TV that you shrunk down to a few inches here....
Enlarge it....
But , PLEASE do not go from the size of a postage stamp to the size of Rhode Island !!!!..... Wink

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Remember this ???;=>.....

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The size you see is what it may be on the forum...
If it's too small , click where the red arrow is.....
There will be some size adjustment sliders you can use to make the image larger or smaller...
etc , etc , etc

And this ???;=>....

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Remember to ALWAYS "Preview Post" to see how it will look in the thread after you post it.....

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how do I dispose of the old coolant?

Not knowing where you live , I have no clue....
IF you live near the Gulf Coast , you could sneak it in with "BP" oil...
I don't think anyone would notice .... Wink

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Suggestion;=>.....
We solve the TV picture problem first , then do the coolant....OK.... Sly

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Later...Ron.M..... Cool

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Veteran & Retired TV technician

shelbydogg
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Jun 9, 2010, 8:34 PM

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I answer quite a few tech questions in some automotive muscle car forums. I've been doing it since '05. I photobucket certain albums that I never move or delete out of so that my tech pictures won't disappear. They are still there and still show up in my old replies.
I didn't see a difference between your image and mine. They were both gone.
Rob

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